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NuovoTech
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 Posted - 07/14/2006 : 14:14:22
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I got a new Momentus 5400.3 160GB drive on eBay for $215 shipped. I thought I would lose some capacity installing it in my dated P2120,mainly over the 137GB/48bit/LBA BIOS issue. Well thru trial & error I found a way around that & I'm using it all in WinXP! It's throughput is noticeable faster than my olde SeaGate 5400rpm/100GB drive. This is due to the new perpendicular magnetic recording(PMR) technology, check SeaGate's site for info on that. If anyone's intersested in how it's done, I'll get back & post it here.  |
Edited by - NuovoTech on 07/14/2006 21:57:58 |
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tchernev
Starting Member
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 14:34:53
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I am interested  ! How did you get around the BIOS issue? |
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 17:11:39
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Twas a bit tricky...my P2120 BIOS stated(auto setting) it was 137.439GB. I did not want to use DDO(disk overlay), which can create new problems...so here tis:
First: Go to SeaGate's support site & download(then install) "Reg48bitLBA" registry setting for XP in your P2K. Not sure if this is really needed, but it can't hurt. 
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/utils.html
Second: go to below thread, read bout DMA issues, then go to my last post & download new ALi/Acer atapi/IDE drivers for WinXP(IDE4008.EXE), otherwise new HDD will be recognized, but will run in slowwww PIO mode. These new drivers work great & have an utility for UDMA settings. Install these IDE drivers using old HDD & before creating your backup image!
http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10215
Third: I put the new drive in my desktop which has a 48bit enabled BIOS. I used FDISK.exe(use updated 5/18/2000 version) & FORMAT.com(4/23/1999) from a Win98SE startup disk. Use at least 2 partitions(none larger than 133GBs), the 2nd partition should be FAT32 if doing backups. I made the primary drive FAT32 also, but my Ghost2003 backup then converted it to NTFS. Be sure to partition & format while in DOS, XP has some limitations on formating FAT32 drives >32GBs. Since FDISK gets the info it needs from the desktop BIOS all goes well...
Fourth: Install new HDD in P2K, boot from this W98 startup disc & set primary drive active with FDISK. Now install your C-drive backup image...however you want, I use Ghost. After booting a few times, you'll see that your new HDD capacity adds up tp ~148GBs & is running in UDMA66. So nothing is wasted, new drive is a bit faster & all works well! |
Edited by - NuovoTech on 07/14/2006 17:28:33 |
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Lastb0isct
New Member
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 17:26:14
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| I've gone on their site and i can see that the PMR is faster, but i don't understand why it's faster. Can you explain that to me? =) |
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
1339 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:15:21
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| Really nice job, NuovoTech! |
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tchernev
Starting Member
40 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 14:04:39
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NuovoTech, thanks very much for the great info! I second NigelS comment!
Unfortunately for me, having W2K on a P2110, things may become a bit of a chore - I just tried installing the new ultra IDE driver and, even though it is meant for W2K too, it gave me consistently the blue screen of death... So had to go back to the "last known good configuration". Hopefully, when the new drive arrives, I will not get the DMA issue...
By the way, the drive is now available from newegg for $209.99 with free shipping |
Edited by - tchernev on 07/15/2006 14:11:24 |
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gellul
Junior Member
372 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2006 : 11:27:18
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I downloaded this software called "HD Tach". It's benchmark software. The 40GB hard drive that came with my Fujitsu P2120 average read is 17.5MB/s. I downloaded HD Tach last year at: www.simplisoftware.com.
Basically the Toshiba 40GB 4200rpm hard drive that came with our P2120 is the slowest hard drive on the market today. It looks like the 5400 and 7200rpm drives are a big improvement.
Now if we could overclock our P2120's we would be in good shape. |
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Lastb0isct
New Member
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Posted - 07/17/2006 : 18:58:06
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| Overclocking would be bad, but a serious overhaul of the components would be good. I think, as well as everyone else on this forum, that fujitsu needs to bring out another P2XXX laptop because it has all the features i want in one package, though it's a slow one. Upgrading can only help to a certain point. Nuovotech, i understand PMR now...I can't wait to have one in my P and a whole array of them in my desktops, talk about storage! =) |
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2006 : 11:43:30
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My P2K still hummin along with new HDD, tho sometimes I feel like I'm "cheating Mother Nature" by getting around the BIOS issue!  |
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oion
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 17:26:38
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This could be stickied or... stored... somewhere. Even with the Transmeta bottleneck, with all the possible upgrades on the old P-2k line, it's still a worthwhile machine over four years after the fact. It's kind of fun cheating old systems into these kinds of upgrades, isn't it? I'm actually a bit sad that this perfect form factor hasn't been cloned to a great extent on the subnotebook market (I suppose that might imply it's not actually "perfect" from the market standpoint).
Anyway, I had upgraded my old P-2040's 20GB to 60GB a couple years ago, but with the advances and price drops, I'm considering upgrading again since I probably won't get rid of my P soon after all. But maybe just to 80 or 100GB (I'm not that adventurous or rich).
How's the noise/heat on this thing? Any noticeable battery drain? (750GB hard drive? Where the hell have I been....) |
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2006 : 04:43:14
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How's the noise/heat on this thing? Any noticeable battery drain?
It's just as quiet as my old SeaGate 100gb/5400rpm, runs a tad cooler & battery drain seems the same... |
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slongmire
Starting Member
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 20:00:56
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Hey Nuovo!
Glad to hear that UltraIDE file worked for you, too. And it looks as though you've done me one better with your new Seagate drive!
Sorry I never did find the older drivers you had emailed me about - but it sounds as though you came up with a much better solution anyway.
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2006 : 09:41:39
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Just a follow-up on my using the 160GB HDD, standby mode is erratic & I've stopped using it. Not exactly sure why, but I suspect it has something to do with the Ali Ultra IDE driver. 
Hibernation still works fine...I consider this a small trade off for the extra HDD capacity. A future update from Ali might also fix this. I'm happy with this HDD update & to be humming along in UDMA66! |
Edited by - NuovoTech on 07/29/2006 09:43:32 |
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Thesoftcell
New Member
Taiwan
82 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2006 : 22:25:05
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NuovoTech,
thanks for all your valuable hints!
I read the referring discussion about the ASUStek driver for DMA support for WIN2K/WIN XPP SP1 but I am not sure in which mode my HDD in my P2120 runs actually (DMA- or PIO-mode; I'm using WinXPP SP2, Hitachi 7k100)?
The devise manager show the drive set to "DMA if available" but I don't know where to look for the actual setting condition of the drive. Could you tell me how/where to check in which mode my HDD runs actually?
Thanks a lot...
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 04:28:14
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The devise manager show the drive set to "DMA if available" but I don't know where to look for the actual setting condition of the drive.
It should actually be just below that line, does it say "ATA 4"(which is the same as UDMA66)? |
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Thesoftcell
New Member
Taiwan
82 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2006 : 08:21:25
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"Ultra-DMA-4-Mode"... (^-^)
Thanks for your help, now I feel relaxed!
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palmerl
Starting Member
Malaysia
44 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 17:27:54
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Greetings,
I have been using FreshDevices Fresh UI program to tweak XP.
There is one option that "enables 48 bit for large hard drives".
Will this allow 160GB on the 2040 ?
I am considering the Seagate 5400.3 myself and that would be
an easy method if it worked.
Regards,
Larry
Regards,
Larry |
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 02:11:03
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Will this allow 160GB on the 2040?
Please re-read my 2nd post in this thread, this is the same reg hack I listed under "First:". You would also have to do all the rest of the things I mentioned...
Also, be aware the BIOS of your P2040 is 2 years older than the one in my P2120, there's a possibility this might be an issue. Can't be sure until you try it, tho if you had problems you would just have to keep the total partitioned size of your 5400.3 below 137GBs under FDISK. |
Edited by - NuovoTech on 08/11/2006 13:02:07 |
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palmerl
Starting Member
Malaysia
44 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2006 : 17:00:11
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Hello,
Sorry I missed that, and thanks for the info.
If I get it working in the 2040 I post it.
Regards,
Larry
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tchernev
Starting Member
40 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2006 : 18:17:36
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This is an update for people that plan to install a large drive on a P2110 with Win2000.
First, you can circumvent the BIOS limitation and partition the drive any way you want if you boot your P from a Knoppix Live CD, and then use the program QTParted that comes on the CD (on my version of the knoppix CD this program had german language gui, so if you need help with this you should post here!). However, keep in mind that in a non-windows (and non-linux) environment the portion of the drive that is beyond the BIOS limitation will not be visible to your programs. So after experimenting a bit, I decided to simply make the region of the drive that is beyond the first 120GB into a single partition that I am now using for windows-only applications and data.
Also, if you have Service Pack 4 installed, you do not need the 48bitLBA hack on your registry - my Win2K sees the entire drive with no problem without any registry hacks.
Second, you are likely to also get the DMA issue dicussed above. On my P2110 the suggested solution (loading the IDE4008.exe driver) caused consistently the blue screen of death. To my surprise, the following workaround got me on track. You need to install first the 4.0.0.7 driver (the file is ali_integrated1.091.exe from the website http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~leeey/a7a266/ ). This installs fine on my P and eliminates the DMA problem, however your drive and your DVD drive are now seen by windows as SCSI drives and hibernation no longer works. Now you should install the IDE4008.exe driver and everything should start working! I have not had any problems with this setup - both hibernation and standby work fine for me.  |
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scleme
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/20/2006 : 16:38:03
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Hey NuovoTech,
Thanks for the info; I was able to get this drive up and running in DMA mode after being stuck in PIO thanks to your advice. But after installing the Ali driver (IDE4008.EXE) the only problem I encountered was an inability to use Standby and Hibernate mode on my laptop using Windows XP Pro. Any Ideas…?
Scleme
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Originally posted by NuovoTech
I got a new Momentus 5400.3 160GB drive on eBay for $215 shipped. I thought I would lose some capacity installing it in my dated P2120,mainly over the 137GB/48bit/LBA BIOS issue. Well thru trial & error I found a way around that & I'm using it all in WinXP! It's throughput is noticeable faster than my olde SeaGate 5400rpm/100GB drive. This is due to the new perpendicular magnetic recording(PMR) technology, check SeaGate's site for info on that. If anyone's intersested in how it's done, I'll get back & post it here.
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 02:29:33
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...the only problem I encountered was an inability to use Standby and Hibernate mode on my laptop using Windows XP Pro. Any Ideas…?
Yes, I know what you're talking about & I believe it's due to the Ali drivers. I stopped using standby altogether, tho I still use hibernate all the time with few problems.
First install below registry hack from ALi's UltraIDE driver v4.008 ReadMe.txt:
1. In Win2000/XP, Standby and Hibernation can be enabled by following 3 steps.
(1) Run "regedit.exe" (2) Click on
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CurrentControlSet/Services/alihdd/Parameters/PnpInterface/5
Highlite "5" in right-side Data window & click Edit/Rename to change Name from "5" to "1".
(3) "Restart" system to take effect.
Prior to hibernating I don't leave any critical applications open & I wait until my HDD LED stops flashing. What happens is about every 30th time I hibernate it hangs during my reboot. I just turn off my P2120 by holding on/off switch in for longer than 4 secs. Then I restart, at post screen I choose to start normally without restoring from hibernation file(hiberfil.sys). That file gets deleted & all is well, my system boots fine then.
Actually it hasn't hung for some time now, but all-in-all I'm glad I was able to use the larger 160gb HDD & I consider this a very minor inconvience. Guess I should have mentioned this reg hack when I first posted about using ALi's UltraIDE driver. |
Edited by - NuovoTech on 12/21/2006 03:56:08 |
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scleme
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/21/2006 : 16:19:02
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Hi NuovoTech,
Thank you for your reply. I will try this advice. I did find information regarding the Ali driver (will try and post link later), they do explicitly state that standby mode is not yet supported in the release I am using. I hope that means they have plans to support it. Thank you again for your assistance, you really saved the day on this one for me. And I agree, not having standby is hardly an inconvenience considering the speed and size of the drive.
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Originally posted by NuovoTech
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...the only problem I encountered was an inability to use Standby and Hibernate mode on my laptop using Windows XP Pro. Any Ideas…?
Yes, I know what you're talking about & I believe it's due to the Ali drivers. I stopped using standby altogether, tho I still use hibernate all the time with few problems.
First install below registry hack from ALi's UltraIDE driver v4.008 ReadMe.txt:
1. In Win2000/XP, Standby and Hibernation can be enabled by following 3 steps.
(1) Run "regedit.exe" (2) Click on
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CurrentControlSet/Services/alihdd/Parameters/PnpInterface/5
Highlite "5" in right-side Data window & click Edit/Rename to change Name from "5" to "1".
(3) "Restart" system to take effect.
Prior to hibernating I don't leave any critical applications open & I wait until my HDD LED stops flashing. What happens is about every 30th time I hibernate it hangs during my reboot. I just turn off my P2120 by holding on/off switch in for longer than 4 secs. Then I restart, at post screen I choose to start normally without restoring from hibernation file(hiberfil.sys). That file gets deleted & all is well, my system boots fine then.
Actually it hasn't hung for some time now, but all-in-all I'm glad I was able to use the larger 160gb HDD & I consider this a very minor inconvience. Guess I should have mentioned this reg hack when I first posted about using ALi's UltraIDE driver.
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NuovoTech
Senior Member Member
USA
1312 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 01:26:12
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I hope that means they have plans to support it.
I believe ALi chipsets became ULi, then it got bought out by nVidia, so don't hold your breath. UltraIDE v4008 may be it, I looked at the mini-port IDE drivers that supposedly replaced v4007, namely v1.500. The newest version of those are v1.510 dated 3-6-2003, the v4008 drivers are dated 11-3-2003?
It's worth noting that the UC Davis fellow said not to use the ALi Mini-Port IDE drivers, so that leave us with beta UltraIDE drivers? LMK if you find out anything...
http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~leeey/a7a266 |
Edited by - NuovoTech on 12/22/2006 02:21:29 |
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palmerl
Starting Member
Malaysia
44 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 23:36:37
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Greetings,
I got the Seagate 5400.3 160 HD for Christmas, thank you very much.
I also am using the P-2040, pretty much stock with the 30 GB drive and 256 M of ram. It has the 800MHZ Transmeta. I have 2 partitions, a 6 GB system partiton and the balance for My Stuff.
After reading this thread about a zillion times I did this.
I put the new drive in a USB 2 casing. Initialized it, partitioned it
with a 6 GB partition and a 130 GB partition. I formatted both drives as NTFS as that is all I use. I left remaining 13GB
Unallocated. I wasn't fussed about 13 GB after going from 30 to 130GB, and I am not as adventurous as Nuvotech and the others.
I used the Disk Management tool within Windows XP Home to do this and
I accessed this utility from "XXClone" (freeware) main screen.
I had already initiated the 48 bit reg key using FreshUI.
Don't know if I need that and may revert as I am under the 137 GB limit? (Any advise?)
From XXClone I set "Source Volume" to the current 2040 C: drive and the Target to the newly partitioned 6Gb partition on the new drive.
In the Advanced Screen of XXClone I checked all 3 options under
the Boot Control namely "write MBR", "Write Boot Sector", and "Write Boot.ini."
I also checked the "Duplicate Vol. ID" button and this may help with programs the recognize this. I thought it may also eliminate the Windows XP Activation thingee?
I closed advanced and made sure the radio button marked "Make the target volume bootable..... was checked.
Pressed Start.
After it was finished I used a regular file manager and copied the current D: drive from the 2040 to the new 130GB partition on the new drive in the USB enclosure.
So now new drive has the bootable C: and all my stuff on the new D:
I once again read the excellent tutorial in this forum about how to remove the old HD and did that. I was afraid I would ruin the ribbon cable, but that didn't happen. The only advise I would give is that I pulled that hard drive away from the cable (not the cable away from the hard drive), trying to leave the ribbon as untouched and unmoved as possible. Good Luck.
I installed the new drive matching the ribbon cable with no problems.
Took about 15 minutes for the whole operation and put it all back together.
Ok. showtime.
Pressed start and XP booted up normally. I was greeted with a XXClone screen saying that all was well. Great. Then I noticed as this forum has said the the DMA transfer was gone. So I installed the new HDD driver as recommended. Standby and hibernation are now not even
options and are ghosted and as stated the drives now show as SCSI.
I used hibernate before but I can live without that.
Before installing the new drive, and before installing the new hdd driver I did some time tests.
They are:
1.-Normal boot only to the Windows logon fanfare. Note I have tweaked
absolute everything recommended in the forum.
2.-Start Open Org Spreadsheet.
3.-Move a 300MB file from C: to D:
(minutes:sec)
----Stock"2040"----160 Seagate----160 Seagate and driver
1.--1:24 -----------1:03--------------1:21 ??
2.--0:38------------0:28--------------0:28
3.--4:46------------1:55--------------0:25 (yes, I checked)
I was amazed at the difference in moving the 300MB, I also notice
that all operations concerning HD are faster than without the new driver, file transfer, defrag, virus and spyware checks. All noticeable faster but no actual time checks for these. I was disappoionted that the boot time is virtually the same, I suspect some
initial delay with the new driver ? And yes most programs start quicker, not as dramatic as the file transfer, but I suppose that has
to do with the processor and bus speeds. I am really happy with this
setup and was easy to do.
Regards,
Larry
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